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Kenny Easwaran's avatar

There are definitely a lot of skills where explicitly thinking about the thing makes people do worse, until they’ve developed a deep enough understanding to eventually do better - stereotypically, it’s hard to ride a bike effectively while you’re thinking about how you’re doing it, and most people don’t ever put in the work to become the kind of expert cyclist who actually does better as a result of their thinking. In lots of intro classes, students learn the basics of some calculations, but end up making enough mistakes that their answers are far worse than the ones they would have come up with through gut estimating, though with a few years of coursework they get better.

I take it that a lot of critiques of enlightenment and modernism are based on ways that thinking explicitly about things has often led people to miss important factors entirely because they are hard to make explicit. Everything from Chesterton’s Fence to James C Scott’s “Seeing like a State” is telling some version of that story.

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"What I’m curious to consider now is: do you think there are principled reasons to think that the more “explicit” ethics of effective altruists is actually a bad thing?"

I think the answer is no. But I also understand the instinct in part.

I think that generally we should applaud people who use numbers in a sensible fashion, but we should be very careful in imposing on everyone numerical requirements or constraints.

Take criminal jury trials in the United States. Let's take two proposed statements:

"Lots of innocent people get convicted at trials."

"Six percent of jury trial convictions are of innocent people."

I would expect the first statement to be followed by anecdotes, and the second to be followed by some sort of calculation that allows people to determine the reliability of that claim. Both could be valid or nonsense, for sure, but the latter statement seems to me to give us a better start.

But take these potential jury instructions:

1. To find the defendant guilty, you must find that the charge has been proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is proof that leaves you with an abiding conviction that the charge is true. The evidence need not eliminate all possible doubt because everything in life is open to some possible doubt.

2. To find the defendant guilty, you must find that the chance she is innocent is less than one in 200.

I think the former instruction will lead to much more accurate results. I think some people have internalized that and then (incorrectly) apply the latter principle to EA.

I agree with those who view "trying is better than not trying" as obviously correct. I think critiques of EA as too mathy are... aggravating. But that doesn't mean that spreading good vibes isn't good, right?

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