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Richard: Thanks for the post! As a general matter, I do think we should look for cheaper forms of deterrence all else being equal. In the last chapter of the book, I discuss a proposal by Mirko Bagaric and colleagues that hopes to release many incarcerated people to a system of surveillance outside of prison (involving audio and visual monitoring, along with use of a remote activated stun-device in the event of prohibited behavior). It seems like the plot of a bad movie, but to the extent it might actually reduce the harms of incarceration and allow people to lead more productive lives (with friends and family) outside of prison, it's worth some consideration, at least on a voluntary opt-in basis. We tend to think of incarceration as non-corporal punishment, but it still restricts freedom of motion and it certainly causes suffering (including the risk of uses of force like stun guns). If a surveillance proposal like this one can reduce incarceration (and its associated costs) while maintaining public safety and reducing the suffering of offenders and their loved ones, we can't just ignore it. And, of course, we must be alert to misuses of the technology and the risk that legislators over-rely on it in ways that increase total suffering.

Nonalt:

(1) You are correct. I focus on pure consequentialism that is "pure" in the sense that it denies the intrinsic value of retribution via desert. (Many of these ideas are spelled out in more detail in the book.)

(2) To the deontologists you describe, I would press them on their justification for collateral damage. I spend a good bit of time in chapter 5 arguing that even if retributivism could justify the intentional aspects of punishment, a full justification of some actual punishment must also address unintended but foreseen consequences (such as variable harms of depression and anxiety and risks of sexual assault, etc.).

(3) I'll have to reexamine the paper you reference, but as a general matter, I certainly believe there can be good consequentialist reasons for committing (with varying degrees of rigidity) to certain courses of behavior. Also, to the extent the "standard retributivists" I address are committed to some sort of consequentialist principles, a challenge to consequentialism would affect both theories.

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Richard Y Chappell's avatar

Some questions for Adam: what are your thoughts on criminal justice reform? Should we be looking for "cheaper" forms of deterrence, like corporal punishment, in place of imprisonment in some (or many) cases? What do you think is the *weirdest* real-world implication of a consequentialist approach to punishment?

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