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Quiop's avatar

>"We should be open to considering scenarios in which nihilism turns out to be true..."

I find this paragraph confusing. "Scenario" to me seems to imply something like a "possible world" - but uncertainty about ethics (for a moral realist) seems to me quite different from uncertainty about which of a number of possible worlds we happen to be living in. It is more closely analogous to something like mathematical uncertainty (e.g. uncertainty about whether the Riemann hypothesis is true).

So your proposed "datum" that suffering is bad is something like the "datum" that some integers are prime. You would never say "we should be open to considering scenarios in which no integers are prime," and if you did encounter someone who said this, your response would not be to say "that's an interesting idea, let's explore the implications!", but to ask for clarification about what they think those words mean, since they are obviously using them differently from the way you would use them.

To put it slightly differently: "would suffering still matter, even if suffering didn't matter?" is the moral realist's equivalent of "would you still love me even if i was a worm?" Once you have accepted the question, any possible answer you can give is just going to get you in trouble.

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Matt Andersen's avatar

Thanks for this. The realism argument strikes me as phenomenological—I.e. regardless of what’s true, I would be lying to myself if I were to claim suffering wasn’t bad.

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