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Aug 10Edited

This is an excellent essay. I’m trying to figure out where I fall off the bus on Parfit’s theory of identity, despite sharing many of his conclusions. I’m going to lay out my misgivings, and those who understand Parfit better than me, please set me straight.

I think reductionism that is not tied to physicalism implicitly invokes a “further fact” in the form of an abstraction of identity that could follow a hypothetical non-physical continuation of the self.

If there is no further fact beyond the psychological/physiological states, then a notion of identity that refers to those states must be constrained by their actual physical properties.

I think all of the thought experiments Parfit uses to show that reductionism allows for branching and other ambiguities in identity are physically impossible in principle. I don’t want this to become a rant about metaphysical possibility, but to summarize: I don’t think there can be any physically consistent universe in which there could be something like a person, and that person could be fissioned, teleported, or blended in a continuous spectrum with another person. The most plausible case would be split-brain fission; however, I suspect this is actually impossible, and if it could happen, we would develop a convention like we have for mother and daughter cells. For the spectrum, I don’t think there’s a way to even make it conceptually coherent while respecting physicalism at all.

If all these thought experiments are impossible, then, rather than undermining the concept, reductionism leads to a clear, unambiguous theory of identity.

Also, to clarify, I’m totally comfortable with identity being ambiguous in the conventional sense. “Am I the same person as I was yesterday?” is partly a matter of taste.

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Larry Franz's avatar

Today there is no need for a convention concerning the identity of conscious beings like ourselves. You're born, you change a little or a lot, you die. That's the whole story. If we eventually have the ability to dismantle people and reconstitute them, or copy a mind into another body, we'd need conventions to deal with such cases. I don't find it difficult at all to believe that a person's identity could be a matter of convention if there were difficult cases to deal with.

If Captain Kirk was beamed down to Omicron Persei 8, it would be easy to say he's still Captain Kirk. But if the transporter malfunctioned and two captains arrived, there would be no "correct" answer. We'd need a convention.

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