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Life In The Labyrinth's avatar

This is great, and I think that objections to it are smuggling in other things that actually change the expected value.

For instance, if I was in a situation where me and ten of my loved ones each had a ten percent chance of surviving, and we could "shuffle our boxes" in the way you describe, I'd want to shuffle so that we were all in the same box. But the reason is that surviving is better when you survive with your loved ones than without them. If our survival prospects don't individually change from shuffling, but the quality of our lives after survival do, then shuffling is a good idea. But the reason that this sort of shuffling makes sense is because it affects expected value, not because there is something other than expected value that we should care about.

Dean Spears's avatar

Thanks for writing this! To my eye, the "shuffling around" thought experiment that moves individuals' valuable prizes across risky outcomes is closely related to the Ex Ante Pareto type assumptions in a Harsanyi framework. Harsanyi assumed expectation-taking and used Ex Ante Pareto to get additively separable generalized utilitarianism.

But, as you're suggesting here, we can also get versions of expectation-taking as a result! Johan Gustafsson, Stephane Zuber, and I have a paper about that (we're very close to having a better version to post online, but here's what's online for now: https://johanegustafsson.net/papers/utilitarianism-is-implied-by-social-and-individual-dominance.pdf ).

Of course, an egalitarian would object to Ex Ante Pareto and say that the fact that shuffling around is just as good for an individual doesn't mean it's socially just as good. So would, Johan and I show in a forthcoming JESP paper (https://johanegustafsson.net/papers/ex-post-average-utilitarianism-can-be-worse-for-all-affected-even-if-no-contingently-existing-person-is-affected.pdf) average utilitarianism or other non-separable approaches to population ethics. And so would, Stephane and I discuss here (https://www.parisschoolofeconomics.eu/en/publications-hal/foundations-of-utilitarianism-under-risk-and-variable-population/) somebody who wanted to be risk averse over the size of the population. Speaking for myself, I find the various weakened versions of the "shuffling around" Ex Ante Pareto axiom pretty compelling (like stochastic dominance for people sure to exist), and then it's a very short path to expected generalized totalism. If nothing else, we're learning that somebody who wants to reject expected generalized totalism has to reject some pretty weak versions of the shuffling around probability intuition.

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