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William Kiely's avatar

I'm not seeing why it's problematic to only be able to say that an action is good relative to a specific concrete counterfactual or relative to a counterfactual expectation, rather than be able to say that an action is good end stop.

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"Similar variation is found in our use of ‘harm’: intuitively, Agent harms nine people by pushing the button that kills them when he could have saved them, even though they still would have died had he done nothing."

I don't think that's right—and it's certainly not intuitive—although it might turn on the mechanism of action. Ten bullets are heading to each of ten individuals. Pressing button n lowers 10-n shields in front of 10-n individuals, protecting them from the bullet heading in their directions. Pressing button 9, would lower a shield in front of a single person, leaving the other shields out of the way. If that's the set up, then the person who presses button 9 doesn't kill anyone—nor do they harm anyone. They let the 9 be harmed / lets them die.

What mechanism are you imaginging?

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