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Helen De Cruz's avatar

Thank you for this thoughtful discussion. I've been thinking a lot about this lately. I don't have any settled views or real arguments (unfortunately) on this matter, but one thing I've been thinking of is to consider what happens w/ intergenerational replacement when people in the older generation die. They are as you say not fungible tokens, they leave certain causal traces and they leave certain legacies (e.g., their intentions, policies they put in place, certain final wishes). The current generation can honor those things, or alternatively, they can try to rid themselves of burdensome past things the previous generation installed. Still, this downstream causation creates an asymmetry between the newly-created person (say, the baby in your example) and the people already existing (the aging parents).

In cultures where we feel strong obligations to past generations--e.g. some Indigenous societies, Confucian cultures--those earlier-gen traces can become deeply entrenched and very strong. I find it a separate interesting issue how strong we should weigh those ideas, wishes, values of earlier generations. We can get weighed down by them. On the other hand, it can be valuable (and by doing it, we sort of reassure ourselves there will be a chance we will not be "erased" the moment we die.)

As you say, sometimes the new life we welcome outweighs the value of keeping the old. Not because we are fungible and replaceable, but because (in my naturalistic pic where you can skip rather easily from "is" into "ought") this is just how it is and should be. I draw a lot of comfort walking in a park nearby and seeing dead trees lie there. They used to remove them, now they let them lie and you can see mushrooms grow on them. Ideally, one's legacy is like this: not erased, not fungible, but fertile ground for the future. The future deserves a place and deserves a shot, and should not feel overtly weighed down by the past.

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Ghatanathoah's avatar

I disagree with the argument that "you will cease to regret this change once this change has happened" undermines the moral force against making the change in the first place. To use a very extreme example, think of fictional monsters like the Borg or the Cybermen who forcibly transform their victims into more of them. One common argument they use to try to get their victims to submit is that once they have made you into one of them, you will want to be one of them. I do not think this argument is persuasive. It is possible to recognize that some events can change what you value while also having some meta-values about what kinds of changes to your values are desirable and when.

In Parfit's "What Makes your Life Go Best" he discusses a case where someone gives you a drug that you have a strong preference take more of, and a lifetime supply of the drug. Parfit argues, correctly, that doing that does not make your life go better, because you have "global preferences," which are meta-preferences about your life as a whole and what kinds of preferences you will have in the future. Because of these "global preferences" you can regret being addicted to the drug, even though now that you are addicted it is a good thing that you have a lifetime supply. Similarly, you can have global moral meta-values about when it is good or bad to create new "person-directed reasons." (Obviously this metaphor only goes so far. Creating Sally to replace Bob seems less analogous to addicting someone to a drug and more analogous to something like forcing someone to give up a fulfilling romantic relationship or life project and to adopt a different one)

Because of this, I do not think that a hybridist has to commit to a time inconsistent view where their normative standards change depending on whether it is before or after Sally's birth. I think that they can have timeless, impartial meta-values about when it is good, bad, or regrettable to create new "person-directed reasons." This can allow them to timelessly and impartially say that the world where Bob lives is the better one, overall. I do not think this is disrespectful to Sally or that it is saying that Bob counts more than she does. It is saying that the "person-directed reasons" for valuing Bob and Sally are exactly equal, but that there are timeless, impersonal reasons to regret the addition of more "person-directed reasons."

I think it is very important for a moral system to have some kind of "global preferences"/meta-values about what values it is acceptable to add or change. I think lacking these meta-values creates all sorts of problems, like the Mere Addition Paradox, or (more extremely) not being able to explain why the Federation should resist the Borg!

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