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Garloid 64's avatar

Yeah EA is necessary because uhhh, it's gonna be hard for someone to appreciate the arts when they went blind as a child from vitamin A deficiency. This applies to a full third of children globally, all for the lack of a pill that costs like a dollar for a year's supply.

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The Notre Dame renovation after the fire cost $760 million. At the time, Dylan Matthews wrote an article for Vox arguing that spending this money on repairing the cathedral is more or less equivalent to letting children die.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/390458/charity-america-effective-altruism-local

But I would ask, if you want to come up with $760 million to take from the arts and give to malaria nets, why pick Notre Dame, a sacred and beautiful site beloved by billions of people for centuries?

For example, consider the following movies from 2023 [edit: I misremembered the year of the Notre Dame fire]:

- Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania

- Transformers: Rise of the Beasts

- Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom

- The Flash

Together, the budgets of these movies are about $800 million. In the thought experiment, why not funge this different $800 million against malaria nets? These movies all sucked and probably even people who enjoyed them in theaters would admit Notre Dame is better. The money is equally “available” for purposes of thought experiments.

If the argument is that this is investment not discretionary spending, you can easily add up $800 million in box office for terrible movies and then say people should have donated instead of buying tickets. If the argument is that we should reallocate the marginal dollar from the arts to effective charities until it’s not worth it, bad movies seems like a strictly better place to start.

So I ask again, why specifically pick the thought experiment where we let Notre Dame burn?

I think utilitarians take their philosophy seriously so are willing to bite some bullets about tradeoffs. These arguments indeed should be paid more attention.

But it seems to me there is a tendency to relate to bullet-biting itself as a positive good, and begin looking for really extra-tough and chewy bullets to bite. I don’t profess to know the psychological or social factors, but I do see it happen a lot.

I’m not making an argument against utilitarianism here, rather I’m pointing out a psychological error I think utilitarians fall into which needlessly results in them making unconvincing arguments that make people angry at them.

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