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Asadel Abadi's avatar

Can something in the vicinity be used as a general argument against moral realism? Imagine that we somehow discovered that our grasp of moral facts is completely wrong and that the only moral fact is that we each ought to collect 589281 paperclips. It seems like in this scenario we would just stop caring about the moral facts. But doesn't that at least imply that on some meta-level we already aren't fully committed to caring about moral facts, but only care about them if, for example, they line up with our desires or sensibilities.

Christian Gonzalez's avatar

I think the answer to why one would prefer non-consequentialist norms is hidden in the initial framing. The choices are presented as "norms which are best for the collective on average vs. not best for the collective on average" as if we were, from a first-person perspective, making decisions from the perspective of the universal 3rd person. But the other option here is to endorse norms that allow us, individually, to pursue our own personal projects at the expense of the abstract global utility function.

So if "why should I care?" is the ultimate litmus test, then the consequentialist is actually in a much harder position than the non-consequentialist because the choices aren't "well being or not well being" but rather "well being of some abstract collective vs. my own well being, or that of my loved ones." Once we make this appropriate reframe, the consequentialist is in a tougher spot.

One way around this issue for the consequentialist is to say "morality *just is* about universalizing/impartial norms" which I'm open to, but at that point the more fundamental question then becomes "why be moral?" which isn't a clearly answerable question as initially presented.

Anyways, great stuff! I'm enjoying this line of enquiry.

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